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| + Pointer | Dec 9 2015, 09:55 PM Post #46 |
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so you are saying that kaioken 20 goku is not two times stronger than kaioken 10 goku ? Kaioken is the only flaw in your logic |
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| Timothy | Dec 9 2015, 10:11 PM Post #47 |
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Goku using kkx20 has 20x the ki of course but the result would be more than 20x the force Pl of a regular human is 5 But someone only 2x can do things well beyond animals many times stronger than us. So when people say (insert character) can't do(insert feat) because they're only (insert number) times stronger than( insert character) and they can only(insert feat and irrelevant physics knowing fully well Toryama wasnt thinking that mathematically). Its a logical fallacy Cause how many humans would it take to bust a moon? Goku with a pl of ten could destroy a car. Whats the difference in force between that and the force nessacary to destroy a moon? A planet? Do the math for that and im pretty sure it wont correlate with the characters established power levels at the time of there busting feats(or busting hype moments(cells solar system statement etc. And theyre said for a reason) |
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| Xfing | Dec 10 2015, 01:24 AM Post #48 |
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I don't think PLs are exponential in effect, at least they weren't intended as such. Goku at a PL of 300 moves 60 times faster than a regular human can move, and that's it. Ki blasts may be slightly different, as you can charge them for longer periods too, so it's not so farfectched that Roshi can bust the moon. |
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| Timothy | Dec 10 2015, 02:43 AM Post #49 |
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Not by feats. Feats disprove that. And pls weren't introduced til z. I doubt toryama went through db limiting his characters that much. Pls cant be used to predict stats in that manner. Roshi could run 40mph at a pl lower than 139 but catch bullets out of a machine gun with ease. That's travel speed lower than a cheeta and reaction higher than mach 1. No way great ape goku was only 20x a human in capabilities. And vegeta clearly states gokus power growing exponentially. And when you do the calcs for how mucj force it is nessacary to destroy a moon using linear numbering Roshi or Raditz should be in the millions or billions. Kid Goku should be atleast in the 50s and vegeta would be well over 18,000 . also small gaps like the ones we've seen with dodoria,roshi and with ss goku and freeza wouldn't have such drastic effects (vegeta punched a friggin hole in zarbon) |
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| Timothy | Dec 10 2015, 02:54 AM Post #50 |
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These numbers are good with chains like character a>b>c>d. But no way they can be used to determine stats when said stats are contradicted by feats shown in the manga. Like i said how many kid Gokus or humans do you think itd take to bust the moon? If these pls weren't exponential than characters wouldnt be so in awe when someone has "the highest ki " they've sensed its a little more complex than oh he can to 1.5x what i can do naw that's not how it works cause 1.5 of your punch isn't enough to burst through your own flesh. The effects of ki might be as hard to understand as trying to understand sensing or trying to explain blue to someone blind. Honestly its better to consider battle powers as power LEVELS instead of battle stats,thatd explain the large discrepancy between a 5 and a 10(Goku was just multiple levels ahead not just twice the regular human(lifted AND tossed a car,tanked a bullet ,etc) and between a vegeta and a zarbon,dodoria zarbon etc.) 3,600 people should be able to bust earth by linear logic or 1800 car sized explosions(Bodb Goku kamehameha was car level) and less than 100 car sized explosions can destroy earth "Indeed, chimpanzees have been shown to be about four times as strong as humans comparable in size, according to evolutionary biologist Alan Walker, formerly of Pennsylvania State University. Research suggests the difference in strength between the two lies in the muscle performance." But a chimpanzee wouldn't be able to A)lift a car (i think) B)Tank a bullet(i know) C)Kick a log into several peices mid air D)knocl out a bear man with a sword Etc. Edited by Timothy, Dec 10 2015, 03:53 AM.
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| Xfing | Dec 14 2015, 12:22 PM Post #51 |
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I'm pretty sure Toriyama didn't think that hard about it when he was drawing it, so trying to explain it with real world physics is an exercise in futility. |
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| TheACE | Dec 14 2015, 01:36 PM Post #52 |
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Trying to figure out how power levels scale in general is an exercise in futility. And technically so is finding a multiplier. Actually if we're jumping off the "in universe wagon." Power levels in general are completely useless. Because much like The Shot >>> Explosions > naked women >> pedophilia jokes = product placement $ >> the plot >>> logic in Michael Bay movies; power levels are pretty low on the priority list in Dragon Ball. It's Plot > Rule of Cool > Characterization > power levels. |
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